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Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« on: June 29, 2010, 03:05:05 PM »
It seems that Lucas is wanting to distance himself and the movies from the EU.

My examples:
1. In "Tales From Mos Eisley Cantina" (play it again, Figrin D'an: The tale of Muftak and Kabe)
   It states that Muftak was left on Tatooine while in a cocoon. He later found out that he was from
   the planet Alzoc III.

In the CW. The species of Muftak are found on a frigid landscape of Orto Plutonia
I'm no biologist, but it is hard for me to belive that Muftak could survive on Tatooine when he is from a fridgid planet.

2. In the EU. We are led to believe that Mandalorians ruled Mandalore and obeyed there own laws.

In the CW. We find out that Mandalore has been ruled by a Duchess and that thet have always have had a government. Now Death Watch have cropped up to try and overthrow the Mandalorian Government.
Governor Pre Vizsla wants to rule Mandalore.
Ben and Qui-Gon spent a year on Mandalor protecting the Duchess from insurgents. Prior to the Death Watch uprising.

3. In the EU. Aurra Sing is said to have been Force sensitive and was once a Jedi learner.
    But not one time did she use the Force when she had many opportunities. Nore was she detected to be Force sensitive from Anakin or Kenobi.         
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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2010, 02:52:24 PM »
Now we will find out that Darth Maul IS NOT from the planet Iridonia. Zabrak, yes. Iridonian, no. 

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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2010, 03:03:21 PM »
sometimes we must throw out any beforehand knowledge   :-\   but i'm sure there is some kind of reason behind any changes, some unknown parts of stories that get filled in


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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2010, 03:44:43 PM »
I try to take the cartoon as an "off-shoot" of the SW continuity.  Maybe even a re-imagining (if there is such a word).  It is a fun show to watch, but I don't use it for continuity purposes.
Especially in the case of the Talz (Muftak's species).  Foul Moudama was a Jedi Knight who fought in the first CW cartoon during the invasion of Coruscant, but Obi-wan and Anakin don't even recognize the species.......

Just take it for the entertainment value and don't use it as a source of continuity.

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2010, 03:46:48 PM »
I try to take the cartoon as an "off-shoot" of the SW continuity.  Maybe even a re-imagining (if there is such a word).  It is a fun show to watch, but I don't use it for continuity purposes.
Especially in the case of the Talz (Muftak's species).  Foul Moudama was a Jedi Knight who fought in the first CW cartoon during the invasion of Coruscant, but Obi-wan and Anakin don't even recognize the species.......

Just take it for the entertainment value and don't use it as a source of continuity.

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2010, 04:28:30 PM »
I rather follow the EU then CW!  Never been a big fan of the CLone Wars, I liked the first none-CG series.

So whats up next Obi-Wan appears to be Luke's father!
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2010, 09:23:37 PM »


So whats up next Obi-Wan appears to be Luke's father!

*****SPOILER ALERT*********

what do you think Obi did when he snuck on Padme's ship out to lava land?  that's a long flight and people get bored......now you see why Anakin got so pissed and choked a bitch !    ;)


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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2010, 09:27:43 PM »
Basically it's like this... it's Lucas' world. He created it. He rules it. If he decides to say that Yoda came from Dagobah after all these years, and puts in a lost scene of little Yoda-lings running around the bog, then that's what belongs.

I mean, look at what happened to Karen Traviss...


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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2010, 08:33:45 AM »
Basically it's like this... it's Lucas' world. He created it. He rules it. If he decides to say that Yoda came from Dagobah after all these years, and puts in a lost scene of little Yoda-lings running around the bog, then that's what belongs.

I mean, look at what happened to Karen Traviss...

Whith so many fans across the world I don;t think Lucas has the right to say its his world anymore. From the moment he got his multimillions of us buying his stuff it was our world as well!
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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2010, 10:13:46 AM »
It's his world, we just play in it pay for it.


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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2010, 10:51:06 AM »


So whats up next Obi-Wan appears to be Luke's father!

*****SPOILER ALERT*********

what do you think Obi did when he snuck on Padme's ship out to lava land?  that's a long flight and people get bored......now you see why Anakin got so pissed and choked a bitch !    ;)

 :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :haha: :haha:

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2010, 12:40:48 PM »


So whats up next Obi-Wan appears to be Luke's father!

*****SPOILER ALERT*********

what do you think Obi did when he snuck on Padme's ship out to lava land?  that's a long flight and people get bored......now you see why Anakin got so pissed and choked a bitch !    ;)

 :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :haha: :haha:

Like that version... But almost cost me a coffe soaked keyboard!

guess next time i gotta do better to get the whole keyboard!


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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2010, 04:06:50 PM »
I think that Lucas just wants to distance himself from  the Eu even though he approves of it's exsistance.

Dave Filoni said that he was going to stay true to the EU as much as possible when he came aboard. Than Lucas decided he wanted to co-create it with him and look what happens.

So much as been written about the EU. Maybe Lucas decided to take it in another direction so we won't see what's coming next.

I follow the movie cannon. But I will still keep up with the EU just to see the differences.

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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2010, 11:13:42 AM »
Maybe Lucas realized people can write better story's than he can. And like a kid who plays poorly in the sand box he takes his toys away so no one can play with them.

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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2010, 06:01:42 PM »


So whats up next Obi-Wan appears to be Luke's father!

*****SPOILER ALERT*********

what do you think Obi did when he snuck on Padme's ship out to lava land?  that's a long flight and people get bored......now you see why Anakin got so pissed and choked a bitch !    ;)

padme:  "ooh Obi your beard tickles. "  :P
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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2010, 12:36:32 PM »
Maybe Lucas realized people can write better story's than he can. And like a kid who plays poorly in the sand box he takes his toys away so no one can play with them.

Just a thought.
I think you just hit the nail on the head!
He does often seem a bit stingy with his stuff, and it's his way or the highway.

Maybe just maybe he should reconsider making more movies, then again most of the good stories have come from different writers.

Personally I'd like to see the Old Republic, or Legacy era on screen!
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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2010, 02:09:40 PM »
Maybe Lucas realized people can write better story's than he can. And like a kid who plays poorly in the sand box he takes his toys away so no one can play with them.

Just a thought.
I think you just hit the nail on the head!
He does often seem a bit stingy with his stuff, and it's his way or the highway.

Maybe just maybe he should reconsider making more movies, then again most of the good stories have come from different writers.

Personally I'd like to see the Old Republic, or Legacy era on screen!

I would love to see the Thrawn trilogy in film but that will never happen
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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2010, 02:21:38 PM »
I asked Filoni about the whole Mando issue and the conflict that it caused with what had already been created in the EU and he gave me a long answer.  Short answer or at least what I got out of what he said was basically because George said so.
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2010, 06:51:14 PM »
This is why the prequels failed... NO ONE wanted to tell George he went to far in the special effects and forgot about story and character development.
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2010, 08:18:10 PM »
This is why the prequels failed... NO ONE wanted to tell George he went to far in the special effects and forgot about story and character development.

But it worked for James Cameron on Avatar...


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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2010, 09:33:47 AM »
This is why the prequels failed... NO ONE wanted to tell George he went to far in the special effects and forgot about story and character development.

But it worked for James Cameron on Avatar...

True that... At least you kinda cared for the characters. Kinda...
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« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2010, 11:14:14 AM »
This is why the prequels failed... NO ONE wanted to tell George he went to far in the special effects and forgot about story and character development.

But it worked for James Cameron on Avatar...

Really...I still haven't seen it and still plan on not seeing it.

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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2010, 01:07:17 PM »
This is why the prequels failed... NO ONE wanted to tell George he went to far in the special effects and forgot about story and character development.

But it worked for James Cameron on Avatar...

Really...I still haven't seen it and still plan on not seeing it.

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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2010, 04:51:42 PM »
Really...I still haven't seen it and still plan on not seeing it.

You should watch it. Just keep it on mute. All you need are the visuals.


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« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2010, 08:24:25 PM »
Avatar is not as bad as I thought ti would be and even had some good parts.  I didn't hate it, but it wasn't "The greatest film ever either."

On anything assosiated with the prequeals, I have come to the deterimination that it all is the most expensive Fan-Fiction ever in the universe.  Same with CW cartoon.  Only thing Cannon is the OT. 
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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2010, 09:55:25 PM »
This is why the prequels failed... NO ONE wanted to tell George he went to far in the special effects and forgot about story and character development.

But it worked for James Cameron on Avatar...

Really...I still haven't seen it and still plan on not seeing it.

you are missing out Joe.....

Pay per-view and Im there

Really...I still haven't seen it and still plan on not seeing it.

You should watch it. Just keep it on mute. All you need are the visuals.

So it's like the prequels with better looking effects then....hmm

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« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2010, 11:31:12 AM »
So much for Greedo being an up and coming Bounty Hunter that's trying to make a name for himself as protrayed in the EU (Tales From Mos Eisley Cantina) ::)

By the time Episode IV. He was a grown man. 

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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2010, 02:00:19 PM »
Star Wars Insider #121

The Clone Wars has borrowed liberally from the EU, including planets, characters, and even situations. You can exppect many more elements from the EU to appear in futhure episodes. But as you might expect, the story comes first, and the existing EU material won't always fit the purpose of the story. The Clone Wars creators have the option to use the material, adapt it to their needs, or IGNORE it.

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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2010, 07:11:05 PM »
Star Wars Insider #121

The Clone Wars has borrowed liberally from the EU, including planets, characters, and even situations. You can exppect many more elements from the EU to appear in futhure episodes. But as you might expect, the story comes first, and the existing EU material won't always fit the purpose of the story. The Clone Wars creators have the option to use the material, adapt it to their needs, or IGNORE it.

Don't you mean destroy it?

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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2010, 10:41:07 AM »
Star Wars Insider #121

The Clone Wars has borrowed liberally from the EU, including planets, characters, and even situations. You can exppect many more elements from the EU to appear in futhure episodes. But as you might expect, the story comes first, and the existing EU material won't always fit the purpose of the story. The Clone Wars creators have the option to use the material, adapt it to their needs, or IGNORE it.

Don't you mean destroy it?

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« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2010, 01:06:59 PM »
It's pretty interesting they'd go to all the trouble of making something really cool such as Mandalore, Boba Fett and Vos only to piss people off like this and trash the existing stories.  I'd like to hear Dave Filoni explain the Mandalore story line to a die-hard fan, because most I've talked to say it sucked.  :-X :-\
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« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2010, 07:18:10 PM »
Star Wars Insider #121

The Clone Wars has borrowed liberally from the EU, including planets, characters, and even situations. You can exppect many more elements from the EU to appear in futhure episodes. But as you might expect, the story comes first, and the existing EU material won't always fit the purpose of the story. The Clone Wars creators have the option to use the material, adapt it to their needs, or IGNORE it.

Don't you mean destroy it?

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It's pretty interesting they'd go to all the trouble of making something really cool such as Mandalore, Boba Fett and Vos only to piss people off like this and trash the existing stories.  I'd like to hear Dave Filoni explain the Mandalore story line to a die-hard fan, because most I've talked to say it sucked.  :-X :-\

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« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2010, 12:46:56 PM »
Well here is another clip from the Hunt for Ziro and I really HOPE they don't make Quinlan Vos punchy like Rocky Balboa.  It's too bad they didn't use Doug Wangler for reference, you can obviously see it's Dave Filoni...   :-\   I hope it's good but at the same time something is telling me it's not going to be.

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« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2010, 02:23:18 PM »
I hope it's good but at the same time something is telling me it's not going to be.

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« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2010, 03:30:45 PM »
there is a preview up at carton networks site too that's different. This looks to be the follow up to hostage crisis. with quinlan and obi huntin them some purple hutt  >:D

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« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2010, 04:37:15 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks Clone Wars is ruining Star Wars?!
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« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2010, 08:22:59 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks Clone Wars is ruining Star Wars?!

Nope. Ive been watching it but to me the stories in it are infinities
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« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2010, 09:22:31 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks Clone Wars is ruining Star Wars?!

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« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2010, 10:47:53 AM »
Am I the only one who thinks Clone Wars is ruining Star Wars?!

Personally no... I don't hate the show. I think it had/has a ton of potential. It's sad that the current season hasn't been the dark season that we were promised. I think the trouble with this season has been the lack of any real direction.

I think it's great that we get some decent ships from Hasbro out of the show. And it's helped to keep the brand alive and bring in new fans. And for me it really is a kids show., It's keeping kids into Star Wars.

I do hate what it's done to the EU... It's a terrible thing to waste.

I used to want to see a OT cartoon... Not anymore. I don't want that ruined.

I agree that for me it's more like a what if? Or an infinities storyline.
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« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2010, 08:16:21 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks Clone Wars is ruining Star Wars?!

Personally no... I don't hate the show. I think it had/has a ton of potential. It's sad that the current season hasn't been the dark season that we were promised. I think the trouble with this season has been the lack of any real direction.

I think it's great that we get some decent ships from Hasbro out of the show. And it's helped to keep the brand alive and bring in new fans. And for me it really is a kids show., It's keeping kids into Star Wars.

I do hate what it's done to the EU... It's a terrible thing to waste.

I used to want to see a OT cartoon... Not anymore. I don't want that ruined.

I agree that for me it's more like a what if? Or an infinities storyline.

Yeah but Mike, this season is basically destroying the other two so much that my kids, who love star wars, can't even stand too watch it.

My oldest said/asked, "Dad why is this all about political nonsense, and why did they make Mandos pussies?"

Now I corrected him on the language, but I was almost pissed at myself for doing it, BECAUSE HE WAS RIGHT AND telling the truth.

Kids are going to get tired of watching cspan with lightsabers very soon it seems.

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« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2010, 01:12:40 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks Clone Wars is ruining Star Wars?!

Personally no... I don't hate the show. I think it had/has a ton of potential. It's sad that the current season hasn't been the dark season that we were promised. I think the trouble with this season has been the lack of any real direction.

I think it's great that we get some decent ships from Hasbro out of the show. And it's helped to keep the brand alive and bring in new fans. And for me it really is a kids show., It's keeping kids into Star Wars.

I do hate what it's done to the EU... It's a terrible thing to waste.

I used to want to see a OT cartoon... Not anymore. I don't want that ruined.

I agree that for me it's more like a what if? Or an infinities storyline.

Yeah but Mike, this season is basically destroying the other two so much that my kids, who love star wars, can't even stand too watch it.

My oldest said/asked, "Dad why is this all about political nonsense, and why did they make Mandos pussies?"

Now I corrected him on the language, but I was almost pissed at myself for doing it, BECAUSE HE WAS RIGHT AND telling the truth.

Kids are going to get tired of watching cspan with lightsabers very soon it seems.

I get that. As I said this show has so much potential! It's really to bad.
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« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2010, 07:57:09 PM »
As a fan I want this too work, but this season seems too be dashing those hopes.

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« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2010, 03:05:42 PM »
I've only been watching on and off though the course of the series, it just hasn't pulled me in to watch full time. Whether it be it's just not interesting most of the time or I just can't get into animation, or now that they just rewrite anything the way the prequels did just seems to ruin it for me.
Maybe GL just needs to step away what good can someone be when they want to change canon every fifteen minutes to suit their needs.
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« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2010, 04:20:37 PM »
Yeah man the we always do it this way... SOMETIMES is really hurting their own cred with the fans that's for sure.
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« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2010, 06:38:00 PM »
Honestly,.... from my own stand point of course. I think what needs to be done is GL tap into some of that late 70's, early 80's thinking that he did with those first 3 films back then. Then sit down and use that process to he did to create something really cool with SW and make it some Clone Wars that we ALL wanna watch. Which would also included alot of battles and not so much political crap cause hey,... we have enough of that in real life as it is.
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« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2010, 02:44:36 PM »
Ventress is from Dathomir, not Rattatak as mentioned in the EU.

Maul's full-body tattoos come from the warrior culture of the Nightbrothers, not some sort of Sith ritual that was stated in the EU

Maul is from Dathomir, not Iridonia as stated in the EU. The Zabraks ended up on Dathomir generations before the CW where the Nightsisters discovered them.   

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« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2010, 09:23:15 PM »
Ventress is from Dathomir, not Rattatak as mentioned in the EU.

Maul's full-body tattoos come from the warrior culture of the Nightbrothers, not some sort of Sith ritual that was stated in the EU

Maul is from Dathomir, not Iridonia as stated in the EU. The Zabraks ended up on Dathomir generations before the CW where the Nightsisters discovered them.   

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« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2010, 12:53:37 PM »
Ventress is from Dathomir, not Rattatak as mentioned in the EU.

Maul's full-body tattoos come from the warrior culture of the Nightbrothers, not some sort of Sith ritual that was stated in the EU

Maul is from Dathomir, not Iridonia as stated in the EU. The Zabraks ended up on Dathomir generations before the CW where the Nightsisters discovered them.   

Nightbrothers come one. What happened to the female dominated matriarchal clans

From what I've read. When the Nightsisters discovered them. They isolated them to a small area of the planet from which the Nightsisters could upon them at there whim. And the Nightbrothers are subserviant to the females.

With slavery a hot topic during the CW. We'll see if they use the males as slaves and for breeding like in the EU.

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« Reply #48 on: December 30, 2010, 02:47:38 PM »
With the "Savage" storyline coming and the Nightsisters more or less keeping the Zabraks in check. Was wondering if Maul was also there during his youth. Because. In the EU. Maul was sent to bring down the Black Sun.
The leader of the Black Sun was Alexi Garyn who Maul was sent to kill. But Garyn had a bodyguard named Mighella. A Nightsister from Dathomir. And before Maul killed her. She asked him. "Do you know what I am?" Plus she didn't seem to know who or what Maul was.

So this could be another EU story that is brushed under the rug.
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« Reply #49 on: December 30, 2010, 05:14:32 PM »
So this could be another EU story that is brushed under the rug.

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« Reply #50 on: December 31, 2010, 11:33:14 AM »
So this could be another EU story that is brushed under the rug.

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« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2011, 06:27:45 PM »
Either the "Rule of Two" stopped after Bane, or stopped with Palpatine. (or never happened)

Starkiller is Vader's apprentice. Now Dooku admitted that Ventress was his apprentice.
And if you think about it. Mara Jade-Emperor's Hand. Why can't she be considered an apprentice since Palpatine trained her in the ways of the Dark Side of the Force.

Plus they changed Ventress' origin from the EU
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« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2011, 08:22:40 PM »
Either the "Rule of Two" stopped after Bane, or stopped with Palpatine. (or never happened)

Starkiller is Vader's apprentice. Now Dooku admitted that Ventress with his apprentice.
And if you think about it. Mara Jade-Emperor's Hand. Why can't she be considered an apprentice since Palpatine trained her in the ways of the Dark Side of the Force.

Plus they changed Ventress' origin from the EU

Mara Jade is certainly not an apprentice. She was only trained in certain aspects of the Force. Thats why she had to go to Luke's Academy when she decided to become a jedi
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« Reply #53 on: January 09, 2011, 11:15:03 AM »
Either the "Rule of Two" stopped after Bane, or stopped with Palpatine. (or never happened)

Starkiller is Vader's apprentice. Now Dooku admitted that Ventress with his apprentice.
And if you think about it. Mara Jade-Emperor's Hand. Why can't she be considered an apprentice since Palpatine trained her in the ways of the Dark Side of the Force.

Plus they changed Ventress' origin from the EU

Mara Jade is certainly not an apprentice. She was only trained in certain aspects of the Force. Thats why she had to go to Luke's Academy when she decided to become a jedi
True,
But she was Force sensitive and the Emperor trained her to use certain Dark Side powers. She was the only know Emperor's Hand that was Force sensitive. So That has to count as some sort of apprenticeship.
As Ben would say.
"What I've told you is true, from a certain point of view." ;D

Luke took her to the academy to hone her skills and keep her from going fully to the Dark Side.























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« Reply #54 on: January 09, 2011, 11:38:11 AM »
Another small note. Dathomir is also depicted in the CW as totally different than in the EU.
In the EU. It's depicted as a planet Earth type place, but in the CW it's red and seem mostly barren.

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« Reply #55 on: January 09, 2011, 02:44:13 PM »
Another small note. Dathomir is also depicted in the CW as totally different than in the EU.
In the EU. It's depicted as a planet Earth type place, but in the CW it's red and seem mostly barren.

I always thought Dathomir was a dried up barren version of Earth!
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« Reply #56 on: January 09, 2011, 03:21:45 PM »
Either the "Rule of Two" stopped after Bane, or stopped with Palpatine. (or never happened)

Starkiller is Vader's apprentice. Now Dooku admitted that Ventress with his apprentice.
And if you think about it. Mara Jade-Emperor's Hand. Why can't she be considered an apprentice since Palpatine trained her in the ways of the Dark Side of the Force.

Plus they changed Ventress' origin from the EU

Mara Jade is certainly not an apprentice. She was only trained in certain aspects of the Force. Thats why she had to go to Luke's Academy when she decided to become a jedi
True,
But she was Force sensitive and the Emperor trained her to use certain Dark Side powers. She was the only know Emperor's Hand that was Force sensitive. So That has to count as some sort of apprenticeship.
As Ben would say.
"What I've told you is true, from a certain point of view." ;D

Luke took her to the academy to hone her skills and keep her from going fully to the Dark Side.

Actually there were many known force sensitive Emperor's Hands: Mara Jade, Roganda Ismaren, Cronal, Lumiya, Maarek Stele, etc. So I would say none of these people are apprentices
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« Reply #57 on: January 09, 2011, 04:28:49 PM »
Either the "Rule of Two" stopped after Bane, or stopped with Palpatine. (or never happened)

Starkiller is Vader's apprentice. Now Dooku admitted that Ventress with his apprentice.
And if you think about it. Mara Jade-Emperor's Hand. Why can't she be considered an apprentice since Palpatine trained her in the ways of the Dark Side of the Force.

Plus they changed Ventress' origin from the EU

Mara Jade is certainly not an apprentice. She was only trained in certain aspects of the Force. Thats why she had to go to Luke's Academy when she decided to become a jedi
True,
But she was Force sensitive and the Emperor trained her to use certain Dark Side powers. She was the only know Emperor's Hand that was Force sensitive. So That has to count as some sort of apprenticeship.
As Ben would say.
"What I've told you is true, from a certain point of view." ;D

Luke took her to the academy to hone her skills and keep her from going fully to the Dark Side.

Actually there were many known force sensitive Emperor's Hands: Mara Jade, Roganda Ismaren, Cronal, Lumiya, Maarek Stele, etc. So I would say none of these people are apprentices
Didn't realize there were so many.
Roganda Ismaren was Force sensitive

Cronal became Lord Shadowspawn

Lumiya was actually trained by Vader to hone her Force abilities. When the Emperor found out about her. He let Vader continue to train her. So she could of been an apprentice.

Maarel Stele was a machanic who later became a fighter pilot and moved up through the Empires Secret Order to become an "Emperors Hand", but I don't remember him being Force Sensitive

But we are getting off topic. Maybe we need a "Rule of Two" thread to actually have some fun with this. ;D


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« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2011, 12:29:59 AM »
Uh let's see this latest episode obeys the rule of 2 law... Dooku has a secret apprentice, Ventress.  Palpatine finds out and says eliminate her so he does.... Or at least he thinks he does.....: George Lucas himself has stated that Sith are always trying to overthrow their masters to gain more power.   Look how Vader wanted Luke to help him overthrow the emporer in ESB. This episode just makes sense as far as the rule of 2 goes.
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« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2011, 02:15:49 PM »
Another small note. Dathomir is also depicted in the CW as totally different than in the EU.
In the EU. It's depicted as a planet Earth type place, but in the CW it's red and seem mostly barren.

I always thought Dathomir was a dried up barren version of Earth!

Eu pics has it pictured as a planet Earth look-a-like, but in the CW. It's a red misty planet.

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« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2011, 02:22:55 PM »
Uh let's see this latest episode obeys the rule of 2 law... Dooku has a secret apprentice, Ventress.  Palpatine finds out and says eliminate her so he does.... Or at least he thinks he does.....: George Lucas himself has stated that Sith are always trying to overthrow their masters to gain more power.   Look how Vader wanted Luke to help him overthrow the emporer in ESB. This episode just makes sense as far as the rule of 2 goes.
Stick a fork in it this argument is done. :P

True.
But Vader and Dooku both were Sith Lords and when a Sith Lord takes on an apprentice. That breaks the "Rule of Two"
Because you have 2 Sith Lords and an apprentice. That's 3. No matter if the apprentice is secret or not. It's still a Sith apprentice.
We all know the "Rule of Two" gets broken eventually, so it may have been during Palpatines reign rather he knew about or not.

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« Reply #61 on: January 12, 2011, 07:29:25 PM »
The thing is it doesnt make any sense for Vader to betray the emperor. He just pledged himself to the guy to learn his secrets. He hasnt learned them yet so he wouldnt want to kill palpatine. Yes he does tell starkiller he is his apprentice that doesnt make it true. Sith lie all the time. There is no reason why it isnt a lie used to manipulate starkiller into enacting a plan hatched by the emperor and vader together
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« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2011, 12:14:59 PM »
The thing is it doesnt make any sense for Vader to betray the emperor. He just pledged himself to the guy to learn his secrets. He hasnt learned them yet so he wouldnt want to kill palpatine. Yes he does tell starkiller he is his apprentice that doesnt make it true. Sith lie all the time. There is no reason why it isnt a lie used to manipulate starkiller into enacting a plan hatched by the emperor and vader together

This is true, but it's not the point in Vader lying to him and telling him this. It's the fact that the EU people are saying that Starkiller is  Vader's apprentice. If Vader dosen't want the Emperor dead, than why have an apprentice at all. Or better yet, than why did Vader end up killing the Emperor anyway. If he truly wanted to know his secrets that bad. He would have killed Luke so he wouldn't be replaced as the Emperors right-hand man.

We all have are different therioes on this and we all have valid points. This can go on and on, I think this would make a good thread somewhere on the boards ;)   

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« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2011, 05:32:35 PM »
I think that the only reason Vader hasn't killed the Emperor is because he wanted to learn his secrets, like you said. But the only secret that mattered to him was a way to save his wife Padmé. Maybe when the Emperor was killing Luke something in Vader snapped and he came to his senses and realized that the best way to remember Padmé was through his children Luke and Leia.

The reason he took Starkiller as his apprentice might just only be to make things easier for him. Let someone else do the things you don't want to do.
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« Reply #64 on: January 13, 2011, 10:01:40 PM »
Vader should have popped a cap in palp's ass a long long time ago.

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« Reply #65 on: January 14, 2011, 01:27:42 AM »
I think that the only reason Vader hasn't killed the Emperor is because he wanted to learn his secrets, like you said. But the only secret that mattered to him was a way to save his wife Padmé. Maybe when the Emperor was killing Luke something in Vader snapped and he came to his senses and realized that the best way to remember Padmé was through his children Luke and Leia.

The reason he took Starkiller as his apprentice might just only be to make things easier for him. Let someone else do the things you don't want to do.

That is always what I thought. When Vader saw his son calling out to him he was redeemed. He decided the secrets of the darksider were not worth it and killed his master
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« Reply #66 on: January 14, 2011, 05:29:54 AM »
Vader should have popped a cap in palp's ass a long long time ago.

Windu should have finished him when he had the chance!
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« Reply #67 on: January 14, 2011, 10:15:45 AM »
I think that after Padme died he no longer had need to learn the secret to saving life from Palpy.

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« Reply #68 on: January 14, 2011, 10:48:46 AM »
I think that after Padme died he no longer had need to learn the secret to saving life from Palpy.



I think that he sort of tricked himself into believing that Palpatine had the knowledge to revive/reincarnate Padmé. In the back of his head/helmet he knew it was never gonna happen but that would have meant that his descent into the Dark Side was useless. So he forced himself to believ in something to survive.
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« Reply #69 on: January 14, 2011, 09:57:59 PM »
Vader should have popped a cap in palp's ass a long long time ago.

Windu should have finished him when he had the chance!

I have too agree

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« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2011, 05:40:46 AM »
I can understand why Windu hesitated to kill him because it would just be bloody murder. But this man is to dangerous to let him live.

And if Anakin didn't intervene did Windu really have a chance?! Palpatine just acted like he was losing, I personally think he had the upperhand all the time!
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« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2011, 01:10:46 PM »
Another CW episode in the books, and another apprentice is found to go against the "Rule Of Two"

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« Reply #72 on: January 15, 2011, 03:58:28 PM »
Another CW episode in the books, and another apprentice is found to go against the "Rule Of Two"

I think part of the problem with this discussion is that some are arguing using the old EU material as their evidence and some are arguing using the Clone Wars as their evidence. Since these sources conflict it seems like this is sort of a stupid argument
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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #73 on: January 15, 2011, 05:50:48 PM »
Another CW episode in the books, and another apprentice is found to go against the "Rule Of Two"

I think part of the problem with this discussion is that some are arguing using the old EU material as their evidence and some are arguing using the Clone Wars as their evidence. Since these sources conflict it seems like this is sort of a stupid argument

There will never be a right or wrong answer, but old EU. New EU. It's still different from the movie cannon.
That's what's fun about the CW. It dosen't give a crap about what's already been written. It goes off on it's own.  
That's why I started this thread.
EU vs CW. It's different material from both sides. It all depends what you want to agree with ;)
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« Reply #74 on: January 21, 2011, 04:10:26 PM »
I feel sorry for all those Sith in the "Legacy" series that got there fake Sith body tattooes.
Darth Krayt, Darth Talon, Darth Nihl, Darth Wyyrlok, and Darth Maladi.
Since we found out that Maul's tats were from his "tribe" and not from some Sith rituals.
That alone killed the far future of all Sith stereotypes. I wonder if they'll change it.

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« Reply #75 on: January 21, 2011, 05:04:30 PM »
I feel sorry for all those Sith in the "Legacy" series that got there fake Sith body tattooes.
Darth Krayt, Darth Talon, Darth Nihl, Darth Wyyrlok, and Darth Maladi.
Since we found out that Maul's tats were from his "tribe" and not from some Sith rituals.


I had exactly the same feeling. I AGAIN was like: Damn that sucks!
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« Reply #76 on: January 24, 2011, 11:52:41 AM »
I feel sorry for all those Sith in the "Legacy" series that got there fake Sith body tattooes.
Darth Krayt, Darth Talon, Darth Nihl, Darth Wyyrlok, and Darth Maladi.
Since we found out that Maul's tats were from his "tribe" and not from some Sith rituals.


I had exactly the same feeling. I AGAIN was like: Damn that sucks!

Yeah it does...it's f*****g lame assed.

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« Reply #77 on: January 24, 2011, 12:51:14 PM »
Maybe the tattooing is part of the traditions of that tribe of zabrak men who live on dathomir.
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« Reply #78 on: January 30, 2011, 12:29:52 PM »
Maybe the tattooing is part of the traditions of that tribe of zabrak men who live on dathomir.

It is, but in the EU origins of Darth Maul. The tattooes were supposed to be part of a Sith ritual. Which now has been de-bunked with the "Nightsisters" storyline.
So all the future Sith that have them now in the Legacy series are NOT Sith ritual tattooes. Legacy painted themselves in a corner with that aspect of going so far in the future. No fixing that now.
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« Reply #79 on: January 31, 2011, 12:06:33 AM »
Yet neither dooku, sidious, or vader ever get these tattoos?  Hmmm maybe the future Sith in legacy times have respect for maul or the old traditions he and his tribe followed, one of which was the Sith tattoos.
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« Reply #80 on: January 31, 2011, 01:53:45 PM »
Yet neither dooku, sidious, or vader ever get these tattoos?  Hmmm maybe the future Sith in legacy times have respect for maul or the old traditions he and his tribe followed, one of which was the Sith tattoos.

Probably because they were pragmatists. Sidious and Dooku knew they could not be public political leaders with sith tatoos all over them. And vader was in a metal suit pretty much from day 1 so that was a no go. Maul on the other hand was meant to be an assassin
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« Reply #81 on: January 31, 2011, 03:56:19 PM »
Yet neither dooku, sidious, or vader ever get these tattoos?  Hmmm maybe the future Sith in legacy times have respect for maul or the old traditions he and his tribe followed, one of which was the Sith tattoos.

Because they WEREN'T Sith tradition tats.
Pictures of Maul when he was younger didn't even have the tats yet. That's an continuity issue in itself. In the EU. He didn't even get them until he was older. If you notice. That all the old school Sith didn't even have the tats. Most started having them AFTER the Maul origin was told and that was the norm. With the "Nightsister" storyline. It totally de-bunked all the EU stuff that concerns the tats.
Why would the future Sith from "Legacy" have respect for someone that had 2 encounters with Jedi. And won neither one. He got himself killed by an apprentice.
Palpatine, Dooku, Vader didn't have them because it wasen't a Sith tradition.

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« Reply #82 on: January 31, 2011, 07:37:22 PM »
Yet neither dooku, sidious, or vader ever get these tattoos?  Hmmm maybe the future Sith in legacy times have respect for maul or the old traditions he and his tribe followed, one of which was the Sith tattoos.

Because they WEREN'T Sith tradition tats.
Pictures of Maul when he was younger didn't even have the tats yet. That's an continuity issue in itself. In the EU. He didn't even get them until he was older. If you notice. That all the old school Sith didn't even have the tats. Most started having them AFTER the Maul origin was told and that was the norm. With the "Nightsister" storyline. It totally de-bunked all the EU stuff that concerns the tats.
Why would the future Sith from "Legacy" have respect for someone that had 2 encounters with Jedi. And won neither one. He got himself killed by an apprentice.
Palpatine, Dooku, Vader didn't have them because it wasen't a Sith tradition.

I think I was not clear in my previous post. I was trying to say that the tattoos being a sith tradition did not violate EU continuity pre Clone Wars. First, Maul is not necessarily the first one to have them. There are plenty of sith we do not know about. Also, him not having them when he is super young is not wrong at all. They very well could have been a rite of passage type thing that you get at some point in your training. He could have been before that point in his training at the time of those sources. Also, Vader, Dooku and Palpatine not having them also does not violate the continuity. Just because they are a tradition does not mean every single person has them. Celebrating Thanksgiving is an American  tradition. Does that mean every American does it? Palpatine may have been left out because his master was training him to be a politician and to corrupt the system from the inside. This would mean his master would leave the tattoos off. Dooku did not become an apprentice until he was already old. He also was going to be a politician sith and therefore would not have the tattoos. Vader was nearly killed as soon as he became a sith so he did not get them because he was immediately put in a mechanical suit. Maul does not fit into any of these categories therefore he got them. Thought history some traditions are followed more closely at certain times that at others. This may be the reason all the legacy sith have the tattoos. The legacy era sith definitely were not "worshiping" Maul. In the grand scheme of things he was a pretty insignificant Sith Lord.

All I was trying to say was that before The Clone Wars cartoon stated airing, there was nothing that contradicted Mauls tattoos being a sith tradition
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« Reply #84 on: February 01, 2011, 10:44:59 AM »
Maybe the tattoos are only for Sith Marauders or something!
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« Reply #85 on: February 01, 2011, 01:31:31 PM »
I think the "Legacy" Sith's have them because that 's what was written in Maul's origin. So to follow EU continuity. That was what they had to go by.
We all know Lucas dosen't follow EU contunity as he's proven over and over again.
If all of Maul's brothers and tribe members have them. That means the Nightsisters are breeding Sith since they all have them. I just think it's just a marking they get by the Nightsisters as ownership.
Hopefully it will be told in future episodes.

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« Reply #86 on: February 01, 2011, 06:41:39 PM »
I think the "Legacy" Sith's have them because that 's what was written in Maul's origin. So to follow EU continuity. That was what they had to go by.
We all know Lucas dosen't follow EU contunity as he's proven over and over again.
If all of Maul's brothers and tribe members have them. That means the Nightsisters are breeding Sith since they all have them. I just think it's just a marking they get by the Nightsisters as ownership.
Hopefully it will be told in future episodes.

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« Reply #87 on: February 04, 2011, 04:01:00 PM »
I think the "Legacy" Sith's have them because that 's what was written in Maul's origin. So to follow EU continuity. That was what they had to go by.
We all know Lucas dosen't follow EU contunity as he's proven over and over again.
If all of Maul's brothers and tribe members have them. That means the Nightsisters are breeding Sith since they all have them. I just think it's just a marking they get by the Nightsisters as ownership.
Hopefully it will be told in future episodes.

ah like a brand or an eartag in cattle
Good call.
Slavery was a hot topic in the SW Universe. So maybe they were looked at as "slaves"

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« Reply #88 on: February 04, 2011, 08:42:09 PM »
The dathomiri witches certainly treat them like slaves
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« Reply #89 on: February 12, 2011, 03:47:45 PM »
I guess Darth dan was right. If that really was Qui-Gon. Than we have continuity issue either way.
When Qui-Gon died. He didn't disappear. So that goes to show that he hadn't mastered the Force spirit thing yet. When Ben and Yoda died. They both disappeared because they already knew how to do it.

EU material has Qui-Gon studying the art before and after he died. During ROTS he was only able to do it by voice, but that leaves him doing it before ROTS according to the CW. But that still leaves Ben's surprise in ROTS.

When Anakin died. He didn't disappear either. Just like Qui-Gon. His body was burned. But at the end of ROTJ. He became a Force Spirit. Either He already knew how to do it (but body didn't disappear) or he was a real fast learner. The only problem I have with that is. He may have redeemed himself, but according to the EU. Sith are not permitted to learn that technique. Because it comes from compassion and not greed.

But in the EU. Sith Lord Marka Ragnos and Exar Kun were just a few that were able to do it. That in itself is the EU over-writing itself

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« Reply #90 on: February 12, 2011, 05:01:38 PM »
I guess Darth dan was right. If that really was Qui-Gon. Than we have continuity issue either way.
When Qui-Gon died. He didn't disappear. So that goes to show that he hadn't mastered the Force spirit thing yet. When Ben and Yoda died. They both disappeared because they already knew how to do it.

EU material has Qui-Gon studying the art before and after he died. During ROTS he was only able to do it by voice, but that leaves him doing it before ROTS according to the CW. But that still leaves Ben's surprise in ROTS.

When Anakin died. He didn't disappear either. Just like Qui-Gon. His body was burned. But at the end of ROTJ. He became a Force Spirit. Either He already knew how to do it (but body didn't disappear) or he was a real fast learner. The only problem I have with that is. He may have redeemed himself, but according to the EU. Sith are not permitted to learn that technique. Because it comes from compassion and not greed.

But in the EU. Sith Lord Marka Ragnos and Exar Kun were just a few that were able to do it. That in itself is the EU over-writing itself

Who said there isnt a similar techinque that sith learn?
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« Reply #91 on: February 12, 2011, 05:19:44 PM »
I guess Darth dan was right. If that really was Qui-Gon. Than we have continuity issue either way.
When Qui-Gon died. He didn't disappear. So that goes to show that he hadn't mastered the Force spirit thing yet. When Ben and Yoda died. They both disappeared because they already knew how to do it.

EU material has Qui-Gon studying the art before and after he died. During ROTS he was only able to do it by voice, but that leaves him doing it before ROTS according to the CW. But that still leaves Ben's surprise in ROTS.

When Anakin died. He didn't disappear either. Just like Qui-Gon. His body was burned. But at the end of ROTJ. He became a Force Spirit. Either He already knew how to do it (but body didn't disappear) or he was a real fast learner. The only problem I have with that is. He may have redeemed himself, but according to the EU. Sith are not permitted to learn that technique. Because it comes from compassion and not greed.

But in the EU. Sith Lord Marka Ragnos and Exar Kun were just a few that were able to do it. That in itself is the EU over-writing itself

Who said there isnt a similar techinque that sith learn?

The EU never explains about Sith doing it. The explaintion with Palpatine was that he needed clones to keep his essence alive.
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Yoda: "Eternal Life"
Qui-Gon: "The ultimate goal of the Sith. Yet they can never achieve it. It comes only by the release of self, not the exaltation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. Love is the answer to the darkness."
If Qui-Gon has studied this technique for years. Than I'm sure he  would have know if Sith were able to achieve this.
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« Reply #92 on: February 12, 2011, 06:39:37 PM »
I guess Darth dan was right. If that really was Qui-Gon. Than we have continuity issue either way.
When Qui-Gon died. He didn't disappear. So that goes to show that he hadn't mastered the Force spirit thing yet. When Ben and Yoda died. They both disappeared because they already knew how to do it.

EU material has Qui-Gon studying the art before and after he died. During ROTS he was only able to do it by voice, but that leaves him doing it before ROTS according to the CW. But that still leaves Ben's surprise in ROTS.

When Anakin died. He didn't disappear either. Just like Qui-Gon. His body was burned. But at the end of ROTJ. He became a Force Spirit. Either He already knew how to do it (but body didn't disappear) or he was a real fast learner. The only problem I have with that is. He may have redeemed himself, but according to the EU. Sith are not permitted to learn that technique. Because it comes from compassion and not greed.

But in the EU. Sith Lord Marka Ragnos and Exar Kun were just a few that were able to do it. That in itself is the EU over-writing itself

Wasn't it ulic quel-droma and not Exar Kun who became one with force? While Kun was trap, spirit, in the pyramid the rebels used on yavin?

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« Reply #93 on: February 12, 2011, 08:24:24 PM »
I guess Darth dan was right. If that really was Qui-Gon. Than we have continuity issue either way.
When Qui-Gon died. He didn't disappear. So that goes to show that he hadn't mastered the Force spirit thing yet. When Ben and Yoda died. They both disappeared because they already knew how to do it.

EU material has Qui-Gon studying the art before and after he died. During ROTS he was only able to do it by voice, but that leaves him doing it before ROTS according to the CW. But that still leaves Ben's surprise in ROTS.

When Anakin died. He didn't disappear either. Just like Qui-Gon. His body was burned. But at the end of ROTJ. He became a Force Spirit. Either He already knew how to do it (but body didn't disappear) or he was a real fast learner. The only problem I have with that is. He may have redeemed himself, but according to the EU. Sith are not permitted to learn that technique. Because it comes from compassion and not greed.

But in the EU. Sith Lord Marka Ragnos and Exar Kun were just a few that were able to do it. That in itself is the EU over-writing itself

Wasn't it ulic quel-droma and not Exar Kun who became one with force? While Kun was trap, spirit, in the pyramid the rebels used on yavin?
Ulic betrayed Kun on the moon of Yavin 4 and Ulic was than robbed of his Jedi powers by Nomi Sunrider. But later died in her arms and did indeed become one with the Force. Kun's spirit was trapped in all the temples that weren't destroyed because he was able to drain the life force from every Massassi to keep his spirit alive.

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« Reply #94 on: February 12, 2011, 10:24:44 PM »
I guess Darth dan was right. If that really was Qui-Gon. Than we have continuity issue either way.
When Qui-Gon died. He didn't disappear. So that goes to show that he hadn't mastered the Force spirit thing yet. When Ben and Yoda died. They both disappeared because they already knew how to do it.

EU material has Qui-Gon studying the art before and after he died. During ROTS he was only able to do it by voice, but that leaves him doing it before ROTS according to the CW. But that still leaves Ben's surprise in ROTS.

When Anakin died. He didn't disappear either. Just like Qui-Gon. His body was burned. But at the end of ROTJ. He became a Force Spirit. Either He already knew how to do it (but body didn't disappear) or he was a real fast learner. The only problem I have with that is. He may have redeemed himself, but according to the EU. Sith are not permitted to learn that technique. Because it comes from compassion and not greed.

But in the EU. Sith Lord Marka Ragnos and Exar Kun were just a few that were able to do it. That in itself is the EU over-writing itself

Wasn't it ulic quel-droma and not Exar Kun who became one with force? While Kun was trap, spirit, in the pyramid the rebels used on yavin?
Ulic betrayed Kun on the moon of Yavin 4 and Ulic was than robbed of his Jedi powers by Nomi Sunrider. But later died in her arms and did indeed become one with the Force. Kun's spirit was trapped in all the temples that weren't destroyed because he was able to drain the life force from every Massassi to keep his spirit alive.

There you go, Kun's spirit was trapped by his sithy ritual, ragnos probably used the same ritual, palpatine used clones, and anakin was the chosen one so he gets to do whatever he wants when he dies. I dont really see a problem. The thing you have to remember is that no character in the star wars universe, not even yoda, knows every aspect of both sides of the force. I dont think you can take what he is saying as 100% literal. Remember we know Jedi like to slightly decieve those they are teaching
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« Reply #95 on: February 13, 2011, 09:59:17 AM »
I guess Darth dan was right. If that really was Qui-Gon. Than we have continuity issue either way.
When Qui-Gon died. He didn't disappear. So that goes to show that he hadn't mastered the Force spirit thing yet. When Ben and Yoda died. They both disappeared because they already knew how to do it.

EU material has Qui-Gon studying the art before and after he died. During ROTS he was only able to do it by voice, but that leaves him doing it before ROTS according to the CW. But that still leaves Ben's surprise in ROTS.

When Anakin died. He didn't disappear either. Just like Qui-Gon. His body was burned. But at the end of ROTJ. He became a Force Spirit. Either He already knew how to do it (but body didn't disappear) or he was a real fast learner. The only problem I have with that is. He may have redeemed himself, but according to the EU. Sith are not permitted to learn that technique. Because it comes from compassion and not greed.

But in the EU. Sith Lord Marka Ragnos and Exar Kun were just a few that were able to do it. That in itself is the EU over-writing itself

Wasn't it ulic quel-droma and not Exar Kun who became one with force? While Kun was trap, spirit, in the pyramid the rebels used on yavin?
Ulic betrayed Kun on the moon of Yavin 4 and Ulic was than robbed of his Jedi powers by Nomi Sunrider. But later died in her arms and did indeed become one with the Force. Kun's spirit was trapped in all the temples that weren't destroyed because he was able to drain the life force from every Massassi to keep his spirit alive.

There you go, Kun's spirit was trapped by his sithy ritual, ragnos probably used the same ritual, palpatine used clones, and anakin was the chosen one so he gets to do whatever he wants when he dies. I dont really see a problem. The thing you have to remember is that no character in the star wars universe, not even yoda, knows every aspect of both sides of the force. I dont think you can take what he is saying as 100% literal. Remember we know Jedi like to slightly decieve those they are teaching
Your right and it still contradicts itself. You have one saying Sith can't achieve this, but on the other hand they did. So the Movie cannon is different from the EU. In the EU. Palpatine wasen't a spirit form. His essence survived over Endor according to Mara Jade. So Palpatine can be taken of the list of Sith spirits. He just needed a body to live. That's why he wanted clone bodies. That's why he was hell bent on getting the young Anakin baby as a new and powerful host.

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« Reply #96 on: February 19, 2011, 01:25:14 PM »
Tarkin retired from the military as a commander before the CW started to become lieutenant governor of his home planet Eriadu.
But in the latest episode of the CW. He was still a capt. during the CW

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #97 on: March 12, 2011, 12:50:42 PM »
With last night's episode. The "Coruscant Nights" trilogy took another hit. They might as well re-write this or just do away with it. This Eu story didn't even keep the EU timeline correct. Now this. ::)

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #98 on: April 02, 2011, 06:49:22 AM »
As long as we are fan$ they will do their best but it feels like they're making it up as they go?
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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #99 on: May 02, 2011, 12:51:03 PM »
No solid answer on the whole Qiu-Gon thing. Filoni stated that he dosen't want to give an answer on it. Because he dosen't want to rob fans of there own interpretation on it.

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #100 on: May 02, 2011, 02:37:48 PM »
he dosen't want to rob fans of there own interpretation on it.

In other words "we have no idea we just wanted to put Qui-Gon in the show so we did it"
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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #101 on: May 03, 2011, 05:50:33 PM »
he dosen't want to rob fans of there own interpretation on it.

In other words "we have no idea we just wanted to put Qui-Gon in the show so we did it"
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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #102 on: June 24, 2011, 01:36:06 PM »
CW head writer Christian Taylor:
"I never really accessed the SW EU, and that keeps me focused on the CW. I think some writers feel bogged down by the EU.
One of the great things about the CW is that if Lucas says it's true, than it's true. That's not to diminish the storytellers of the
EU, but we get to sit with Lucas and hear him explain in detail what the rules of the Force are, and what the rules of the Jedi Order
are."
*All this contradicts what Filoni first said about the CW. That he was going to stay true to the EU. I think we can stop trying to tie-in the EU to the movies.

Asked about the Qui-Gon Force spirit:
"I think it may be a little unfair of me to give a definitive answer. I think the Force is incredibily powerful and the ability to manifest after death is something that only a few Jedi can do. We can't be definitive because it is Mortis and nothing on Mortis can be trusted or believed."

Ahoska
"The show started with her, and I think it will end with her story. We're trying to write to that. We're very much writing in chronological order now. We're not jumping back and forth in time anymore."
 

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #103 on: February 25, 2012, 10:44:12 AM »
Nightsisters have been purged, but in the EU. They have always been around. 

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #104 on: February 25, 2012, 08:51:10 PM »
Most of them died, but mother Talzin lived and I'm sure a few ran off and got away off camera. 
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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #105 on: February 26, 2012, 12:15:35 PM »
Most of them died, but mother Talzin lived and I'm sure a few ran off and got away off camera.
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True mother Talzin remains, but all the Nightsisters have been purged.

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #106 on: February 27, 2012, 08:45:11 PM »
Most of them died, but mother Talzin lived and I'm sure a few ran off and got away off camera.
Mother Talzin: "It is over, sister."
Ventress: "No one remains? It is my fault."
   
True mother Talzin remains, but all the Nightsisters have been purged.

Ehhh she'll just recruit some  or make them out of magic mud or something.  Remember to really follow sci-fi you have to suspend disbelief.
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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #107 on: February 28, 2012, 06:41:10 AM »
Talzin could be pulling a "Yoda"? going into exile? waiting?
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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #108 on: March 03, 2012, 10:31:29 AM »
Talzin could be pulling a "Yoda"? going into exile? waiting?
Actually she is waiting. On Savage to bring Maul back.

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #109 on: March 03, 2012, 10:33:02 AM »
Looks like Dengar's early EU history has been over-written. Looks like he has always been a bounty hunter. Unlike how the EU has written him. In the EU he became a bounty hunter after the Empire re-bulit him to serve them.

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #110 on: March 03, 2012, 11:33:47 AM »
Looks like Dengar's early EU history has been over-written. Looks like he has always been a bounty hunter. Unlike how the EU has written him. In the EU he became a bounty hunter after the Empire re-bulit him to serve them.

See I remember reading somewhere that he wrecked in a swoop race against Han Solo, thus the bandages.
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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #111 on: March 03, 2012, 01:08:56 PM »
Looks like Dengar's early EU history has been over-written. Looks like he has always been a bounty hunter. Unlike how the EU has written him. In the EU he became a bounty hunter after the Empire re-bulit him to serve them.

See I remember reading somewhere that he wrecked in a swoop race against Han Solo, thus the bandages.
Yep. And the Empire re-built him to serve there needs as an enforcer. But when he refused to kill kids. The Empire had no need for him and thus he fled and became a bounty hunter.   
As you can see in the CW. He was already a bounty hunter and he already had a wrap on his head. Like a fashion statement to how he likes to look. But more importantly. There are no visible scars on his face from ever being in a swoop accident. So I'm guessing his scars that we see in "Empire" are just from years of being a bounty hunter

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #112 on: March 03, 2012, 10:31:35 PM »
*waves hand* there is no eu, just the movies and clone wars.

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #113 on: March 04, 2012, 09:02:34 AM »
*waves hand* there is no eu, just the movies and clone wars.
That's what I do. Try and seperate the two. I like when the EU gets over-written by the "true" cannon.

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #114 on: September 15, 2012, 11:30:43 AM »
Been reading the Darth Maul series from DH.
I'm sure that there will be more EU continuity issues when the CW starts.

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #115 on: September 15, 2012, 03:00:57 PM »
But what happens when Cannon gets written over cannon, cause Han shot first.
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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #116 on: September 29, 2012, 08:45:01 AM »
The EU took some hits with Lucas Cannon.
Even tough Yoda talked about "Rule of Two" in PM. This could over-write his own cannon, or it's just the Sith changing history.

The Darth Maul comic series "Death Sentence" totally does not fit in with this episode.

Finally. Adi Gallia gets killed by Savage, but in the EU. She is killed by Grievous.
No matter how people want to defend the EU fitting with Lucas Cannon. You can't argue with the death of a character in different cannon. 
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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #117 on: October 13, 2012, 11:40:45 AM »
Been reading the Darth Maul series from DH.
I'm sure that there will be more EU continuity issues when the CW starts.

3 issues in and already alot of continuity issues just like I figured.

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #118 on: November 10, 2012, 05:36:40 PM »
With Huyang seeming to be in charge of watching over and teaching padawans how to construct their lightsabers for over a 1000 years mean that the EU stories have been de-bunked.
A rite of passage for a padawn to become a Jedi meant building his/her own 1st lightsaber by themselves.

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Re: Clone Wars V.S. EU continuity
« Reply #119 on: January 11, 2013, 03:22:35 PM »
Uh let's see this latest episode obeys the rule of 2 law... Dooku has a secret apprentice, Ventress.  Palpatine finds out and says eliminate her so he does.... Or at least he thinks he does.....: George Lucas himself has stated that Sith are always trying to overthrow their masters to gain more power.   Look how Vader wanted Luke to help him overthrow the emporer in ESB. This episode just makes sense as far as the rule of 2 goes.
Stick a fork in it this argument is done. :P

True.
But Vader and Dooku both were Sith Lords and when a Sith Lord takes on an apprentice. That breaks the "Rule of Two"
Because you have 2 Sith Lords and an apprentice. That's 3. No matter if the apprentice is secret or not. It's still a Sith apprentice.
We all know the "Rule of Two" gets broken eventually, so it may have been during Palpatines reign rather he knew about or not.

We can stick a fork in this argument now.
In the new CW magazine. They state that Maul has broken Dart Bane's all-important Rule of Two by taking Savage as his apprentice.